More than 40% of lower income households are receiving more in government payments than they’re paying in income tax.

“That’s something that every one of us has got to stop and think about,” says Ross Greenwood.

Robert Deutsch from the Tax Institute of Australia runs through the numbers with Ross.

“Tha’s a point I’ve made before and it seems to be a little bit lost on the Labor party at the moment.”

Listen to the full interview below