Luke Grants chats to Dr Nicholas Gruen, the CEO of Lateral Economics, who argues that Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyy is playing the role Winston Churchill played in 1940.  In a world bathed in BS, Zelenskyy’s physical courage actually makes a greater contribution today than it did in Churchill’s time.

He says Zelinsky cuts through the BS, he means what he says and it’s as simple as just his actions move us because he’s doing his job, like the captain of an old ship that has foundered committing them self to save all it or go down with the ship.

He says we’re now in a different world to that, where politicians never say quite what they mean.

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