Luke Grant speaks has his weekly chat with Abul Rizvi, the former deputy secretary of the Department of Immigration and author of “Population Shock”, about population and immigration… conversations you won’t hear from the major parties.

Mr Rizvi discusses the call from the Business Council to ramp up immigration numbers way more than even the government has indicated, the old big versus small Australia debate and the change to the passenger arrival form that he says quite likely, if implemented sooner, would have saved us from the Novak Djokovic drama.

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